In a new interview with Cosmopolitan magazine, Gracie Abrams talks about love, sex and, of course, Taylor Swift.

Commenting that Gracie seems to be very open about sex, the interviewer speculates that Gracie's pal Taylor wouldn't be quite as forthcoming. Gracie replies, "I couldn’t be more different from Taylor. We are different in all the ways that my friends and I are different or that you and I are different."

"Taylor is an athlete, a brilliant businessperson, and a genius writer. She’s a grounded human being who makes time for everyone in her life. It’s been really cool to be in the orbit of a person like her," Gracie continues. "There’s also nothing that comes close to what she has done."

"People will still gaslight her and her capabilities ... but please point me to one man who has come close to defining pop culture in this way. There is nothing! But people are not ready for that conversation."

Gracie herself isn't ready for a conversation about her body — specifically, her abs. When the interviewer tells the singer that "the internet is talking about your abs right now and everyone is demanding you share your workout routine," she responds, "It has gotten kind of out of hand."

"There’s no end to the discourse on women’s bodies, like Jesus f****** Christ! Shut up! It’s not complicated!" she continues. "It’s not your body. I don’t have a routine. I swear on my life."

The "That's So True" singer also reveals that she doesn't "go out at all," but that the "most f****** fun I've had in a long time" was at Charli XCX's birthday party.

"It was heaven. And there was dancing," says Gracie. "I wish it was her birthday every single week."

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